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No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

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No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par devolut » sept. 26, 16 4:09 am

Speaking to the US Senate, the Pentagon’s leaders blamed Russia for the Aleppo aid convoy attack, but admitted they “had no facts.” Only US coalition planes should be allowed over Syria, they said, though that would require war against both Syria and Russia.
Defense Secretary Ash Carter and General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, faced the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday to report on the ongoing military operations and “national security challenges” faced by the US. They also asked the senators for more reliable funding, saying the uncertainty was hurting the defense industry.
“Not only our people – our defense industry partners, too, need stability and longer-term plans to be as efficient and cutting-edge as we need them to be,” Carter told the senators.

The lawmakers were far less interested in the war against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) than about the future of the Syrian government, Iran’s “malign influence,” and “aggression” by China and Russia – all ranked far ahead of terrorism on Carter and Dunford’s list of security challenges.

The Pentagon had “no intention” of sharing intelligence with Russia when it came to Syria, Dunford told the lawmakers unequivocally. Secretary Carter explained that the joint implementation councils envisioned by the ceasefire proposal negotiated in Geneva wouldn’t share intelligence, just coordinate efforts – but that they were a moot point anyway, since the ceasefire was effectively dead.

Both the lawmakers and the Pentagon chiefs blamed that development on Russia, focusing on the alleged airstrike against the humanitarian convoy in east Aleppo while the US-led airstrike against the Syrian Army fighting IS in Deir ez-Zor went unmentioned.

“I don’t have the facts,” Dunford said, when asked about the convoy attack by Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut). “It was either the Russians or the regime,” he added.

“There is no doubt in my mind that the Russians are responsible,” whether directly or because they backed the government in Damascus, Dunford said, describing the attack as “an unacceptable atrocity.”

Carter explained Dunford’s logic in a response to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), saying that “the Russians are responsible for this strike whether they conducted it or not, because they took responsibility for the conduct of the Syrians by associating themselves with the Syrian regime.”

The latest proposal by Secretary of State John Kerry involves grounding only Syrian and Russian airplanes, Carter told Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-New Hampshire).

“There can be no question of grounding US aircraft” over Syria, he said, adding that US jets conduct their strikes “with exceptional precision… that no other country can match.”

Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi) asked about what it would take for the US to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, using the phrase “control the airspace.”

“Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,” Dunford replied, drawing a rebuke from committee chairman John McCain (R-Arizona), who argued a no-fly zone was possible without war.

Asked about the video of US-backed Syrian rebels insulting US Special Forces in Al-Rai and running them out of the northern Syrian town, Carter and Dunford shrugged it off.

A “very small minority took verbal action” against US troops, said Dunford, who admitted he did not watch the video but had discussed it with US commanders. He said the incident was “irrelevant” because the US-backed forces and Turkey were making “great progress” along Syria’s northern border.

In their exchange with Graham, Carter and Dunford confirmed there is a plan to arm the Kurdish militia in Syria, over Turkish objections, as a way of advancing on the IS stronghold of Raqqa. Once Raqqa is taken, however, an Arab force would be required to hold it. “We have a plan,” Dunford said, but described it as “not resourced.”

Dunford agreed with Graham’s assertion that the US had two objectives – to destroy IS and to “remove Assad,” referring to the Syrian president – but admitted the Kurds were not interested in the latter.

“If the main fighting force inside of Syria is not signed up to take Assad out, where does that force come from?” Graham asked. Neither Dunford nor Carter had an answer to that.

Both the Pentagon heads and the lawmakers agreed throughout the hearing that caps on military spending mandated by sequestration were harmful and needed to be repealed. Lack of funding posed a significant threat to readiness and maintenance, Carter and Dunford argued, before pointing out that the US military was still the strongest, most powerful and most competent in the world.

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Re:No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par webmaster » oct. 08, 16 3:12 pm

"...Oh, and one more thing Mr. President. If you happen to run across that Nobel Peace Prize you received while you are packing away your personal effects, you might give some thought to sending it back. If there is one thing that eight years of Obama foreign policy have demonstrated, it is that it was wholly undeserved."


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Re:No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par Toklè » oct. 08, 16 6:18 pm

Beaucoup d´officiels americains vivent dans un monde de reverie sans pareil.
A force de jouer avec le feu en se montrant baroudeur, on finit par ce mordre les doigt comme en Syrie.
Les otanais/americains bombaient la poitrine pour parler de no fly zone, ils se voient eux memes exclus de force du ciel syrien si ce n est pas une guerre nucleaire ils cherchent, ce qui est improbable, la Russie ce n est pas la Lybie et meme avec la Lybie, ils ont attaqué apres une no fly zone.
Si on ne peut pas attaquer la Corée du Nord qui vient á peine de developper la technologie nucleaire, c est la Russie avec ses systemes Mach 7 voir Mach 12? Non, l´arrogance americaine connait ou rencontre ses limites et c est tant mieux.

Je suis depuis un moment ce journaliste americains, Alex Jones avec ses emissions Info War, il est tres tres brillant et raisonnable pour etre journaliste americain.
Je partage ses 2 dernieres videos, hier et avant hier dans lesquelles il parle des stupidités des Generaux et officiels americains parlant justement de no fly zone imposé par les russes en Syrie alors que ce sont les
americains qui menacaient


Mach 1 = 1 225.044 kilometers / hour
Mach 7 = 8 575.308 kilometers / hour
Mach 12 = 14 700.528 kilometers / hour
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Message par Zutoto » oct. 08, 16 6:33 pm

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Re:No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par Aristide bateng » oct. 08, 16 6:45 pm

le conseil de securite examine la sitaution sur la syrie. la france comme toujours a depose un project pour l intervention militaire
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Message par Aristide bateng » oct. 08, 16 7:08 pm

la Russie pose son Veto le project francais

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Re:No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par Dko » oct. 08, 16 9:14 pm

The reps from Syria just laid out the western scheme. Start wars in countries by colonial powers, france as a US proxy this time, arm rebels, get a no fly zone when things don't go their way in the hope of finishing the job, then cause chaos, kill innocent populations and burn the place down when they don't get their plans of controlling resources that they figure belongs to them like everywhere else in the world.

The world has been warned. There are no friends in the west.

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Re:No-fly zone would ‘require war with Syria and Russia’

Message par Toklè » oct. 09, 16 9:44 am

Putin ne plaisante pas, ce que vous cherchez, vous l´aurez!

Putin attaque hollande

Les médias occidentaux font état d'une très vive altercation entre le Président russe, Vladimir Poutine et son homologue français, François Hollande autour de la Syrie.

Le contact téléphonique entre les deux hommes a tourné à une passe d'arme verbale, avec en toile de fond un approfondissement des divergences de part et d'autre. Hollande qui tentait de dissuader Poutine de la prolongation des raids aériens russes contre les terroristes à Alep, s'est trouvé confronté à la grande colère du Président russe.

Hollande avait vertement critiqué Poutine pour avoir frappé ceux qu'il qualifiait de " rebelles modérés" quand le Président russe a laissé éclater sa colère en affirmant qu'il "n'existe aucun rebelle modéré en Syrie puisque tous les rebelles agissent en interaction sur le terrain".

Et le Président Poutine d'ajouter :" le fait d'attribuer aux terroristes le qualificatif "modéré "est méprisable" !

En réponse à Hollande qui demandait l'arrêt des frappes aériennes russes contre les positions des terroristes d'Al Qaida et de l'ASL à Alep, Poutine aurait fulminé :" Vous n'avez plus aucun autre choix, si ce n'est le fait d'abattre les avions russes et là vous allez tout bonnement déclencher une nouvelle guerre mondiale. Si la France, la Grande Bretagne et les Etats Unis veulent la guerre, ils l'auront"

Poutine aurait évoqué par la suite l'intervention de 2011 de l'Otan en Libye pour demander à son homologue français : " Quand vous avez décidé d'attaquer la Libye, avez-vous demandé la permission de la Russie?"

http://presstv.ir/DetailFr/2016/10/09/4 ... ndePoutine