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Aiglenoir
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Libya could fall into 'bottomless pit', leader warns
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par Aiglenoir » janv. 22, 12 5:01 pm
(By msnbc.com staff and news services) Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the head of Libya's ruling National Transitional Council, warned on Sunday the country could be heading towards a "bottomless pit" after protesters stormed a government office in Benghazi when he was inside. A crowd demanding the resignation of the Libyan government smashed windows and forced their way into the NTC's local headquarters late on Saturday, in the most serious show of anger at the new authorities since Moammar Gadhafi was ousted. The NTC has the support of the Western powers that helped force out Gadhafi in a nine-month conflict, but it is unelected, has been slow to restore basic public services, and some Libyans say too many of its members are tarnished by ties to Gadhafi. Abdul-Jalil later suspended the six representatives to the NTC from Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya. They can continue to serve only if approved by the local city council. He also said he appointed a council of religious leaders to investigate corruption charges and identify people with links to the Gadhafi regime. The body's deputy head, Abdel-Hafiz Ghoga, resigned in protest over the suspensions. Ghoga, known for his polished language and expensive suits, was a prominent spokesman during the eight-month civil war that ended with Gadhafi's capture and killing in October. Another delegate, Fathi Baja, called the move "illegitimate" and said he would stand down only if the people of Benghazi asked him to. Baja, a well known critic of Gadhafi even before the uprising, also criticized the appointment of religious leaders, saying that when he was criticizing Gadhafi, "they were calling on people to obey the leader." Also Sunday, the head of the committee tasked with preparing the country's election law said its release would be delayed for one week. The final law, which was set to be announced Sunday, will be made public on Jan. 28, said Othman al-Mugherhi. The committee published a draft law earlier this month and said it would solicit comments from Libyans. Al-Mugherhi said the delay will allow the committee to consider these comments while drafting the final law. The law will spell out how Libyans will elect the 200-members national congress, which will oversee the drafting of a constitution. The body is supposed to be elected before June 23. Al-Mugherhi also announced the formation of a 17-member electoral commission to oversee the vote. The body contains professors, judges, lawyers and men and women representing non-governmental organizations, he said. Under Gadhafi's rule, Libya had no working parliament for four decades. Abdul-Jalil warned the protests risked undermining the country's already fragile stability. "We are going through a political movement that can take the country to a bottomless pit," he said. "There is something behind these protests that is not for the good of the country." "The people have not given the government enough time and the government does not have enough money. Maybe there are delays, but the government has only been working for two months. Give them a chance, at least two months." Mark 12:10 The stone which the builders rejected is become the cornerstone.
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par zeke » janv. 22, 12 5:45 pm
Lybia is already a bottomless pit, it will take them forever to find stability again. They have cheered "le nabot" et "le house negro", they will regret the good old days of Khaddafi.
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Akwaaaaaa - Son Excellence
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par Akwaaaaaa » janv. 22, 12 7:14 pm
Uh No, franckly Lybians did not show any kind of support to the rebels, nor did they cheer any of the dwarf french President or the Jews' Toy President Obama. The 2 millions men March staged by lybians in Tripoli in jUly 2011 to protest the Nato bombings is a vivid testimony of their loyalty to their leader Gadahfi. Any so-called massive anti-gadahfi rally's pics or vids you may have seen are brazenly manufactured by the Westerners to deceive us. Let us spread the the truth about Lybians. they stood beside Gadaffi but were defeated by the Nato military supremacy. http://www.youtube.com/embed/nSnlIlATIKw" frameBorder=0 width=420 allowfullscreen> Je vais Parler Gbeh Pian!!! Celui ki n'est pas content il na ka monter en bas pour descendre en Haut. Et puis il na ka mordre son dos !!!
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par Ozazip » janv. 22, 12 7:18 pm
TRIPOLI (AFP) - Le vice-président du Conseil national de transition (CNT), Abdelhafidh Ghoga, a annoncé dimanche sur la chaîne qatarie Al-Jazira qu'il démissionnait "dans l'intérêt de la nation", après des appels à son départ.
"J'ai choisi de démissionner (...) dans l'intérêt de la nation", a déclaré M. Ghoga à la chaîne par téléphone.
Des membres du CNT contactés par l'AFP ont indiqué ne pas être au courant de la démission de M. Ghoga, précisant toutefois que ce dernier n'avait pas participé aux réunions du CNT samedi et dimanche.
M. Ghoga a expliqué qu'il n'y avait plus le même consensus autour du CNT et qu'il ne voulait pas que le conflit autour de sa personne ait un "impact négatif" sur le Conseil.
"L'important c'est de préserver le CNT", a-t-il ajouté.
"Nous ne savons pas vraiment ce qui se passe", a-t-il dit, en faisant état d'"attaques contre les personnes (...), de campagnes contre certains" membres du CNT.
M. Ghoga, qui est aussi le porte-parole du CNT, est régulièrement accusé par des manifestants qui réclament sa démission d'être un "opportuniste" et d'avoir fait partie du régime de Mouammar Kadhafi.
Il avait été pris à parti et agressé jeudi à l'Université de Ghar Younès, à Benghazi, où il était allé pour une cérémonie en l'honneur des martyrs de la révolution qui a renversé Kadhafi.
© 2012 AFP
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Aiglenoir
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par Aiglenoir » janv. 22, 12 10:46 pm
"KADAFFI kafissa""
* NTC head attacked as anger boils over
* Some residents say life better under Gaddafi
By Oliver Holmes
BENGHAZI, Libya, Jan 22 (Reuters) - The university professor, dressed immaculately in a pinstripe suit and waistcoat, points in despair to the crumbling buildings and rubbish-strewn streets of Libya's second city Benghazi.
"You can see around you that there is no change. There has been no money spent on infrastructure and salaries are not being paid," said Ali al-Rabia.
His voice rises in anger as he talks of how residents in Benghazi, birthplace of last year's revolution that toppled Muammar Gaddafi, had yet to see any benefit and had lost respect for the interim government.
Anger in Benghazi has been simmering since October when the ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) moved to the capital Tripoli after declaring Libya liberated from Gaddafi's 42-year rule. Months later, residents say they feel forgotten.
"The government is working without a judiciary or police. We know they are getting money from the over one million barrels of oil they sell a day, but where is it being spent?" Rabia said in fluent English.
"But the worst of it is that people who worked with Gaddafi are being appointed into the interim government," he added, echoing a complaint from many in Benghazi who say they fear the corruption and nepotism of Gaddafi's rule did not die along with the dictator.
ANGER BOILS OVER
Frustration boiled over on Saturday when a crowd demanding the government's resignation smashed windows and forced their way into the NTC's Benghazi headquarters. The council's chief, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, was trapped inside for several hours.
The protesters, many of them armed with machineguns and bayonets, had broken through the main metal gates and into the courtyard of the compound, witnesses said.
Abdel Jalil attempted to placate the crowd, but retreated into the building after water bottles were thrown at him.
Home-made bomb explosions were reported 500 metres from the compound. Although not intended to harm, protesters say they were a warning to the NTC.
On Sunday, Abdel Jalil said such action could drag Libya into a "bottomless pit. There is something behind these protests that is not for the good of the country."
The NTC made a peace offering to the protesters, the resignation of the NTC-appointed city mayor, Saleh El-Ghazal, and the promise of a new, elected leader. That was quickly followed by the resignation of NTC vice-president Abdel Hafiz Ghoga.
Many in Benghazi said Ghoga should be barred from working for the NTC as he was secretary of the solicitors' syndicate under Gaddafi. On Thursday, Ghoga was jostled by an angry crowd of students when he visited a university in Benghazi.
BETTER UNDER GADDAFI?
Since Gaddafi's overthrow, it has been Libya's disparate armed militias who have captured the attention of the NTC with their sporadic infighting and refusal to disarm and join a national security force. Now the protests in Benghazi, and the need to appease the city of about 700,000 people, are preoccupying Libya's leadership.
For an interim government that is only two months old, the demands of Benghazi are high.
"We need compensation for the families of martyrs who died in the revolution and for the injured," said Nabil Baraka, 42, an unemployed man who was at the wrecked NTC headquarters on Sunday to protest along with dozens of other disgruntled men.
"There is no security, the streets are full of guns. There is no transparency when the NTC makes a decision without asking anyone and the government is full of pro-Gaddafi people," he said.
In Shajarah Square in central Benghazi a group of protesters have been staging a sit-in for more than a month.
"We are worried about the establishment of a democracy," said Suleiman Abdul, an unemployed engineer, who stood in front of an Arabic language banner reading: "Make actions, not just promises."
"Our families have died for this revolution, but the way it is going it was actually better before, under Gaddafi. The banks worked, there was no rubbish and people did not have to fear all the guns around the country." Mark 12:10 The stone which the builders rejected is become the cornerstone.
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Miniyamba - Son Excellence
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par Miniyamba » janv. 23, 12 12:01 am
the tyrant is dead. may he rot in hell don't waste your time. we won't disappear and we won't back down!!. got it?
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par Akwaaaaaa » janv. 23, 12 2:37 am
I know one who would take the hell trip soon. He gets a twisted jaw like a mad dog, the sign of the beast!!!loool !!!! Je vais Parler Gbeh Pian!!! Celui ki n'est pas content il na ka monter en bas pour descendre en Haut. Et puis il na ka mordre son dos !!!
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par Miniyamba » janv. 23, 12 2:44 am
i know someone a the door step of hell!!!!!!!! don't waste your time. we won't disappear and we won't back down!!. got it?
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Youzan - Son Excellence
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par Youzan » janv. 23, 12 3:52 pm
ca ne finira donc jamais ? ... tant que les occidentaux voudront choisir pr ns ce qui est bien pr nous eh ben ce sera tjrs ces mêmes conno ds l'actualité de l'afrique
D'après un responsable local, des partisans du régime déchu de Mouammar Kadhafi ont pris, lundi 23 janvier, le contrôle de "toute de la ville" de Bani Walid (sud-ouest de Tripoli) suite à des affrontements sanglants avec des ex-rebelles.
"Ils contrôlent des quartiers importants dans le centre de la ville et y ont planté le drapeau vert (de Kadhafi)", a affirmé Mahmoud el-Werfelli, porte-parole du conseil local de la ville, ancien bastion du défunt dirigeant libyen.
Cinq anciens rebelles libyens ont été tués et 20 autres blessés lors de l'attaque des partisans de l'ancien régime de Mouammar Kadhafi sur Bani Walid. "Il y a eu cinq martyrs parmi les thowars (révolutionnaires) et 20 blessés", a indiqué Mahmoud el-Werfelli, ajoutant craindre "un massacre".
Selon un autre responsable local, M'Barek al-Fotmani, des "fidèles de Kadhafi" ont attaqué une base d'ex-rebelles de la ville. "Ils sont environ 100 à 150 et ont des armes lourdes"
"La brigade du 28-Mai, la plus importante à Bani Walid et la seule qui dépende du ministère de la Défense, est encerclée de tous les côtés par des fidèles de Kadhafi brandissant des drapeaux verts et elle est visée par toutes sortes de tirs", a-t-il dit.
Mahmoud el-Werfelli a confirmé que des partisans de l'ancien régime étaient en train d'attaquer des rebelles de la ville. "Ils sont environ 100 à 150 et ont des armes lourdes", a-t-il précisé.
"Nous avons demandé l'intervention de l'armée mais le ministère de la Défense et le Conseil national de transition nous ont trahis, ils nous ont laissés entre le marteau et l'enclume", a-t-il accusé. "Cela fait deux mois que nous leur demandons de trouver une solution", a-t-il poursuivi. "L'intérêt de la nation"
Bani Walid a été l'un des derniers bastions de Mouammar Kadhafi à tomber après la guerre qui a succédé au soulèvement populaire dit "du 17-Février". Certains de ses habitants sont restés des partisans de l'ancien régime.
La mort des quatre anciens rebelles intervient alors que le vice-président du Conseil national de transition a annoncé sa démission dimanche. Abdel Hafiz Ghoga, a affirmé qu'il démissionnait "dans l'intérêt de la nation", après des appels à son départ.
Abdel Hafiz Ghoga a expliqué qu'il n'y avait plus le même consensus autour du CNT et qu'il ne voulait pas que le conflit autour de sa personne ait un "impact négatif" sur le Conseil. "L'important c'est de préserver le CNT", a-t-il ajouté.
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Wangrin
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par Wangrin » janv. 23, 12 3:54 pm
Reponse à Son Excellence Youzan:
Akya, Youz, tu voulais que ca finisse ? Si ca finissait comme ca, les occidentaux auraient eu alors l'impression qu'ils furent justes et bien inspirés. On dirait que le match retour a commencé en Lybie hein... APRÈS DIEU, LA COTE D'IVOIRE!
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