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There are Italians with black skin

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Interview with Sabrina Jacobucci, President of Association of Afro-Italian Children

To
be black and Italian at the same time is a new reality the Italian
society is still struggling to accept.  Adoption and increase in the
number of mixed marriages between Italians and Africans are gradually
leading to an increase in the number of Black Italian children, the
so-called Afro-Italians.  But the Italian society seems unprepared to
cater for the social and educational needs of these children.  In this
exclusive interview with Africa News, Ms. Sabrina Jacobucci,
aka Flora NW, President of the Association of Afro-Italian Children,
reveals the reasons that led to the foundation of the Association, the
problems mixed heritage children face in the country, and suggests what
should be done to make the education system more responsive to the needs
of mixed heritage children.

Sabrina, please share with us the story behind the formation of the Association of Afro-Italian Children.

The Association was initiated by an Italian mother of two mixed-race
children born abroad, who, when returning to Italy, started to express
the need of meeting other black children since they were the only black
children in school, in their block, whenever they went to the park or to
after school activities. They started to ask: why aren’t there children
like us on TV or on advertisements?  The Italian mother started to look
for a group where children could meet other black children, but could
only find associations of various migrant communities, or churches which
catered for the Nigerian, or the Congolese or the Ghanaian and so
forth.  The children could not, though, identify with any ethnic or
migrant community in particular, being black Italians. So to answer the
children’s need to see themselves represented, this woman started to
look for other parents of black or mixed-race children to set up a group
where the kids could, at least once a month, meet and feel stronger, in
a society where to be black is often neither appreciated nor valued.

When was it founded?

A couple of years ago.

Who was involved?

I, the white Italian mum of Black Italian daughters (who also share
an English, Nigerian and Jamaican mixed parentage), had the idea of
setting up a group where my children could meet other Afro-Italian
children. I thought gathering other parents of black children willing to
meet would be easy.

Unfortunately, the number of black and mixed-race children is very
low in Rome, especially in my area. So I started to "advertise" on the
web, first of all on www.insenegal.orghttp://www.insenegal.org/"#,
a site which has a rich forum where a number of mothers of children
having a Senegalese father write. But most of them weren't from Rome. So
I wrote to other parents' forum, but they were attended mostly by
parents of white children. And then, on one of these forums, I met the
adoptive mum of a girl of Nigerian parentage, who shared the same need
as mine. We were then joined by other adoptive and biological parents of
black and mixed-race children, thanks to the website I manage http://afroitaliani.splinder.comhttp://afroitaliani.splinder.com/"#ed_c ... p#/a#ed_cl#, where I announce our meetings and other activities.
.
http://www.africa-news.eu/images/storie ... liani1.jpg" align="left" border="0">What are the objectives of the Association?

We intend to offer support to Afro-Italian families, black or
mixed-race, in an anti-racist and multicultural environment, focusing on
evolving personal and collective strategies for combating and coping
with racism and to give special emphasis to enabling our children
develop a positive sense of their ethnic identity in an environment in
which they are a minority. 

Afro-Italians is quite a new concept in this country. How do people react to it?

I think the very concept is disturbing to some people. Even the word
Afro-Italian. I remember when I started posting on a (all-white)
parents’ forum using the word Afro-Italian as a nick name, a lot of
people reacted badly to my comments judging the nickname “aggressive”.

I think people in Italy are afraid of someone defining him/herself
Afro and Italian at the same time because in the collective
consciousness you can be Italian only if you are white. This is
demonstrated also by the treatment given to the famous black Italian
footballer Mario Balotelli – what racist hooligans sing is that there is
no such a thing as a black Italian. Celebrating our children’s dual
identities, black and Italian at the same time, has a symbolic aspect
which is disruptive to some people.

The fact that our children do not identify with any immigrant
community in particular, is also of particular relevance.  They cannot
be relegated to the “second generations” category, being Italian also by
blood. For example my kids are, from my side, at least seventh
generation Romans, a record that many of their white Italian classmates
(whose parents may come from Sardinia or Puglia) cannot even claim.
Their not belonging to a specific immigrant community forces the society
to face the “race relations” issue without using the immigration issue
as a smoke screen, as it tends to do, often inappropriately. There is no
immigration issue here: the society has to face the fact that there are
Italians with a black skin!

How many members do you have now?

About 35-40. We must keep in mind that this is probably the first
association of its kind in Italy. Our children do not share the same
cultural background: some of them have one black parent whose origin can
be traced directly to an African nation, but others have a black parent
of Caribbean origin, or even do not know the origin of their black
parent(s) as it may be in the case of some adopted children born in
Italy. Our children do not share the same ethnicity, i.e. this is not a
Nigerian or Ethiopian association or community group. Neither is it only
an association of mixed couples (most of the adoptive parents are both
Italians and white). But our children share the same experience, the
experience of being black in a white society. This is what they have in
common, this is what unites them - their “race” (using this word for
want of a better one and as a sociological construct, of course). And
the “race” issue is still a taboo in Italy.

Who can join the Association?

While everyone regardless of ethnic or racial background can join, we
cater particularly for Black and mixed-race children and their parents,
both biological and adoptive; members of the African Diaspora in Italy
and their families; parents of black or mixed-race Afro-Italian
children; those in a mixed-race marriage or families where at least one
of their members can trace his/her origins no matter how remote to the
African Diaspora.

In reality, this is an Association of both parents and
children. Do both parents and children meet at the same time, or do you
have separate meetings?

We meet on the same day, but tend to keep the meetings separate, so
that the parents can have the opportunity to discuss matters too
sensitive for children's ears.

What do you do when you meet?

We have been lucky enough to meet black cultural mediators who share
our vision. So they carry on activities for the children, aimed at
valorising not only the culture of origin of some of them, which all too
often is misrepresented in the society, but also the black identity of
the children. The children get empowered through seeing a black person
in position of authority, functioning as a role-model, especially in the
case of those black kids who grow up in totally white families
(adoptive children or children from single - parent families, when the
only parent they live with is white). In Italy, because of institutional
racism, there aren't practically any black teachers. A black child is
unlikely to come across a black general practitioner (GP), or a black
policeman, or even a black TV presenter.

While the children’s activities take place, we, the parents, in an
adjoining room, meet to discuss many different topics ranging from hair
care to dealing with racism in the education system and so on. Before or
after the meeting we also share a meal together.

From your experience, in Italy, are mixed heritage children facing different problems from those of other children?

Mixed race children often face the same issues black mono-heritage
children face. No matter their skin tone, they are seen as black and
therefore it is healthier and more empowering for them to identify as
such, without denying their dual heritage at the same time. A racist is
not going to ask them whether they are mixed-race. And yes, black and
mixed race children definitely face different problems from those of
white children.

What are the main problems?

Problems such as name-calling: on the first day of primary school,
one of our mixed-race girls went home to her mum and asked: What does
“negra” mean? A child in class told me today “Don’t sit next to me,
negra!”; refusal by classmates to hold the black child’s hand at
playtime in nursery (an experience that another of our black girls, aged
four or five, had). In both these episodes unfortunately what emerged
was the lack of action by the teacher. Teachers all too often do not
have any training in multicultural education, and therefore when faced
with episodes of racism or pre-racism by children, they do not know how
to react and tend to minimise, even telling the victim to look the other
way, or calling the victims oversensitive if they report a racist
incident and expect justice. This is very serious because with racism,
any action is better than no action at all. The victim should be
comforted and the perpetrator reprimanded, always.

Do you think the education system in Italy fully caters for the needs of mixed heritage children?

I don't think so. I don't think the education system has even started
to consider or understand the needs of mixed heritage children or of
black children for that matter. They are invisible to the system because
they are not even seen as a group. Also, mixed heritage is a concept
that encompasses too broad a category. Our experience is that of parents
of mixed-race children, black/white, and as such they face the same
problems of institutional racism embedded in the education system black
"mono-heritage" children face. I think that to separate mixed-race
children from the black children amounts to "fractioning" the black
community, and at this moment, when the community needs unity and
strength, is not advisable.

What do you think should be done to make the education system more responsive to the needs of mixed heritage children?

Teachers should be properly trained about the multiethnic society and
how to deal effectively with racism. It should also be ensured that all
educational materials reflect the ethnic background of each and every
child.

Every child has the right to see himself or herself represented. In
books and posters around the class there should be an equal distribution
of pictures of various groups: one image of a black person is not
enough. Books for children used in schools should also show pictures of
people of every ethnic group in a position of authority, because
children learn from actions as well as from omissions: never seeing a
black person in position of authority makes the black and white children
interiorize the concept of the “lesser importance” of black people in
the society. Especially in classes where most of the children are white,
at least half of the images used should introduce diversity to contrast
the supremacy of images of white people in mainstream culture!

It’s wrong to believe that letting children of different ethnic
groups play together is enough in fighting against prejudice: without
other inputs, children maintain what they have internalised. Teachers,
parents, educators, have to actively talk about diversity without
minimizing or ignoring it. They should strive to teach children a
positive response to diversity. The more the classroom environment
presents the diverse images and materials, the more the children will
ask questions about diversity, even in those classrooms where all belong
to the same ethnic group. And we need to remember that such questions
should be encouraged.

What’s your advice to white parents with black children?

Try to have black friends, adults as well as children and to meet
other mixed families. Try to have your child attend schools where he or
she is not going to be the only black person in the class. Speak to the
head teacher, see what is their policy on dealing with racism. If there
is another black child of the same age of your child, insist that he be
placed in the same class with your child.

When your child is small, be even prepared to donate educational
material your child can feel represented in (black dolls, books) to
their classroom. The school most likely will not have any.

Act as classroom representative, if you can. Your family becomes
“normal” the more people are used to you. Try to live as much as
possible in a mixed community. Ideally one should be prepared to move if
it means a better and more supportive environment for the child. Find
black baby-sitters and other family helpers. Learn how to take good care
of your child’s hair. Valorise the beauty of your children’s natural
hair. Do not straighten it, or try to make it more similar to "the
European" hair. That lowers self-esteem.

If your child were white you wouldn’t put on her hair harsh damaging
chemicals, would you? Try to have children’s books featuring black
children, black dolls,  toys, games, in your home, even if that means
having to import from the USA, the UK or France (make use of online
bookshops). You can always buy the book then translate it as you read
it, or make up the story for your child as you look at the pictures.
It’s important to encourage positive feelings about the brown and black
skin colour to contrast the negative attitudes to them that are created
by racism in the society.

Learn and share with your children Black history.  Do not be afraid
of speaking about race, not just cultural identity. Be clear with
yourself and your child as to her/his racial identity.  Talk about
racial issues, even if your child does not ask you because he or she may
not ask because of having internalised the society’s taboo about race. 
Use natural opportunities, such as a TV programme or an article in a
newspaper or a book. It is important that your child knows that you feel
comfortable discussing race. It is vital to encourage your child from a
young age to talk to you if they feel hurt by any exclusion, name
calling or other forms of racism, and let them know that you will
support them. Remember that they may feel embarrassed about going into
details.

Always speak up when wrongs occur. Do not accept racist acts or
words, even if they are not directed to your child or their ethnic
group. What happens to any minority person happens to your child!
Ignorance is no excuse: the harm and injury are just as deep even if the
acts or words are based on ignorance or were not done with spite.

Understand white privilege: understand how as whites we benefit from a
racist system. Talk about racism with your child. Let him or her know
that you are anti-racist. Read, talk to people, and be continuously on
the lookout for anything that will help you better empower your child,
sustain her/his growth, and become a better anti-racist. Share what you
know with others. It is also important for your child to learn and
understand that he/she is part of the black community. This is probably
the most difficult issue, especially for those white parents who are
raising a black child without a black partner because of relationship
breakdown or adoption.

Any plans of creating similar associations throughout the country?

I often get asked by people in other parts of Italy if there is
something similar there: my answer is: get together, organize
yourselves, start one self-help group wherever you are...we can then
network!

CHILDREN’S COMMENTS

“I think that forming this Association was a good idea; we have
fun and they teach us new things about African countries (songs,
traditions…) that white Italians would not understand!”

S. 8 years old

“I think the Afroitaliani/e Association has been an excellent
idea, so every child can see him/herself mirrored in another person that
looks like him/her. When I was smaller I was delighted to attend
meetings more than now that I am 12 and most of the children are younger
than me, but that does not stop me from acknowledging that this group
is brilliant!”

Y. 12 years old

“I like going to the meetings because the children are like us,
and they cannot make fun of us because we all have the same skin colour,
or rather we are all dark and nobody asks us whether we had been
adopted”.

D. 11 years old

“All the members of the Association are nice!”

N. 7 years

CONTACTS OF ASSOCIATION OF AFRO-ITALIAN CHILDREN
Email:
associazionebambiniafroitaliani@yahoo.it">associazionebambiniafroitaliani@yahoo.it
http://afroitaliani.splinder.comhttp://afroitaliani.splinder.com/"#ed_c ... p#/p#ed_cl#

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Re: There are Italians with black skin

Message par Tipa » nov. 13, 11 3:58 am

Reponse à Son Excellence Essaba:
 So what?
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Message par Ivoirophile » nov. 13, 11 4:53 am

So what ? Toi aussi frere elle veut te dire que si il y a des italians qui existent dans Son esprit , il serait donc normal que des africains blanc existent aussi .
C’est par son « être » que l’Afrique pourra vraiment accéder à l’avoir. À un avoir authentique ; pas à un avoir de l’aumône, de la mendicité. Il s’agit du problème de l’identité et du rôle à jouer dans le monde.



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Message par Gbapleu » nov. 13, 11 5:59 am

Les Africains blanc , ou mieux des Euro-africains ont toujours existé et cela n'a pas toujours poser des ennuies dans les endroits où ses personnes vivaient .
Rappelez-vous que Jerry Rawling est métisse donc de père blanc et de mère noire , cependant ceci ne l'a pas empèché de devenir l'un des meilleur président que le Ghana ait connu .
Combien d'Ivoiriens de peau blanche existent-il ? Des milliers , des centaines de milliers . Oui . Et beaucoup d'entre eux ont occupé des postes de grande responsabilité dans les differnts gouvernements qui se sont succédés depuis l'accès à "lindépendance" : Mme Jeanne Gervais , mr Guy Nairey , et meme une Italienne d'origine , et j'en passe , sans oublier Mr Batesti et le non moins célèbre maire du Plateau ...
En Italie par contre cette idée d'etre noir de peau et de se definir Italien est encore mal perçue par la mojorité des habitants de ce pays . Prennez l'exemple du cas Mario Balotteli et vous comprendrez de quoi je parle ; Si certaines personnes s'opposant à l'octroi de la nationalité Italienne à un noir , dans le cas d'espèce à Mario , pouvaient l'approcher et le tuer , elles l'auraient fait . Car nous qui étions dans ce pays pendant ces temps avions assisté à un spectacle unique en son genre : Tout un stade , debout et scandant en choeur sa volonté de voir mourir un jeune homme du fait de la couleur de sa peau . Heureusement pour lui , que sa famille adoptive , s'est resserrée autour de lui et aussi son talent aidant il a finit par triompher de cette barbarie .
Ceux comme moi qui avaient des enfants métisses , ou meme des enfants à bas àges dans ce pays , se sont demandé s'il convenait ou non y vivre et y voir grandir sa propre progéniture . Certains qui l'ont pu , ont plié bagage ; dont votre serviteur : Gbapleu .
C'est encore l'un des rares endroits sur la terre où le critère de la couleur de la peau a une incidence réelle sur votre quotidien . Parole d'un témoin averti . Gbap .
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Message par Ivoirophile » nov. 13, 11 6:33 am

Sur ce point je suis de tout coeur avec les italiens .
C’est par son « être » que l’Afrique pourra vraiment accéder à l’avoir. À un avoir authentique ; pas à un avoir de l’aumône, de la mendicité. Il s’agit du problème de l’identité et du rôle à jouer dans le monde.



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Message par Essaba » nov. 13, 11 4:02 pm

Ciao Gbap , Je ne connais pas l'Anglais, mais je connais la fondatrice de cette association , donc j'ai posté l'article et je suis sûre que son contenu soit plein de sagesse. Pour ce motif n'entrer dans le mérite de l'interviewJe réponds au Gbap. Mon but était de faire connaître à tous vous que cette association existe. Nous sommes en train de nous mobiliser pour élargir cette expérience Romaine aussi à Milan  il est vrai, l'Italie n'est pas le pays meilleur pour grandir un fils,
en général, un meticce , beaucoup de fois, il a quelque problème en
plus'. Mais les temps sont en train de changer, nos fils sont en augmentation, la société on est en train d'habituer. Les immigrés, à mon avis, ils les doivent réunir en associations ensemble. Exemple, dans ma petite ville il y a une association qu'il s'appelle "premier pas", formée par les représentants de presque toutes les communautés étrangers présents en ville. Est-ce que je dis presque toutes les communautés présentes pourquoi, est-ce que vous savez qui n'est pas dans cette association? L'Afrique Sub Saharienne, pourtant, ici dans ma ville ils existent soit Ivoriens , Sénégalais, Camerunes. Et est-ce que cette chose du manque de l'engagement des Africains noirs se voit en autres villes aussi? Pourquoi? Tu Gbap, que tu as vécu en Itallia, est-ce que tu me sais expliquer cette absence?
"Quand les blancs sont venus en Afrique, nous avions la terre et ils avaient la Bible.Ils nous ont demandé de prier avec les yeux fermés; quand nous avons ouvert les yeux, les blanc avaient la terre et nous avions la Bible." Jomo Kenyatta



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Re:There are Italians with black skin

Message par Eburneen » nov. 13, 11 10:03 pm


Balle à terre! Sinon Essaba vient de vous expliquer qu´elle a posté cet article seulement pour vous informer qu´une association d´enfants Afros-Africains existe en Italie, ou bien?
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Re:There are Italians with black skin

Message par Akwaaaaaa » nov. 14, 11 2:41 am

Reponse à Son Excellence Essaba:
... Est-ce que je dis presque toutes les communautés présentes pourquoi, est-ce que vous savez qui n'est pas dans cette association? L'Afrique Sub Saharienne, pourtant, ici dans ma ville ils existent soit Ivoriens , Sénégalais, Camerunes...
pardon, votre association-la, ne mettez pas les senegalais et Maliens dedans, sinon ca va devenir du bordel !!!!
Je vais Parler Gbeh Pian!!! Celui ki n'est pas content il na ka monter en bas pour descendre en Haut. Et puis il na ka mordre son dos !!!



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Message par Essaba » nov. 14, 11 3:36 pm

Reponse à Son Excellence Akwaaaaaa:
 lol!!   nous courrons ce risque...tous les immigrés ont les mêmes problèmes. Langue, maison, travail et la loi Bossi/Fini qu'il crée problèmes énormes.

Ciao  Ebu il est comme tu le dis.
"Quand les blancs sont venus en Afrique, nous avions la terre et ils avaient la Bible.Ils nous ont demandé de prier avec les yeux fermés; quand nous avons ouvert les yeux, les blanc avaient la terre et nous avions la Bible." Jomo Kenyatta



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